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\"03_web\"<\/a>Michal Z\u00e1boj *1974 <\/strong> Zpov\u00eddat Michala u k\u00e1vy bylo n\u00e1ro\u010dn\u00e9. Je poznat, \u017ee jako novin\u00e1\u0159 je zvykl\u00fd ot\u00e1zky kl\u00e1st, ne odpov\u00eddat, a tak se role ob\u010das p\u0159ehodily. <\/strong>Michal je zkr\u00e1tka novin\u00e1\u0159 ka\u017ed\u00fdm coulem, pro kter\u00e9ho je \u017eurnalistika sp\u00ed\u0161e zp\u016fsobem \u017eivota ne\u017e povol\u00e1n\u00edm. <\/strong><\/p>\n

Pokud v\u00edm, jsi jedn\u00edm ze slu\u017eebn\u011b nejstar\u0161\u00edch novin\u00e1\u0159\u016f na okrese. Jak dlouho jsi v bran\u017ei? <\/strong> Od roku 1998. Je to 17 let. Pokud jde o po\u0159ad\u00ed, \u0159ekl bych, \u017ee jsem tak t\u0159et\u00ed. Jak\u00fdmi m\u00e9dii jsi pro\u0161el? <\/strong> Pracoval jsem v ti\u0161t\u011bn\u00fdch m\u00e9di\u00edch i r\u00e1diu a zhruba p\u0159ed rokem a p\u016fl jsem se dostal do elektronick\u00e9ho m\u00e9dia. Za\u010d\u00ednal jsem v region\u00e1ln\u00edch novin\u00e1ch Boskovicko \u2013 ty bohu\u017eel loni na konci roku p\u0159estaly vych\u00e1zet \u2013 pak jsem pro\u0161el dv\u011bma oborov\u00fdmi \u010dasopisy a odtud jsem p\u0159e\u0161el do n\u011bkdej\u0161\u00ed Rovnosti, kde jsem dva roky psal zpravodajstv\u00ed z okresu Blansko. Pak jsem na dvan\u00e1ct let zakotvil v \u010cesk\u00e9m rozhlasu Brno. P\u0159ed rokem a p\u016fl jsem se vr\u00e1til do regionu do Zrcadla Blanenska a Boskovicka, kde jsme rozjeli elektronick\u00e9 zpravodajstv\u00ed z okresu Blansko.<\/p>\n

Jak se to vlastn\u011b p\u0159ihodilo, \u017ee ses stal novin\u00e1\u0159em? Bylo to tvoje vysn\u011bn\u00e9 povol\u00e1n\u00ed?<\/strong> Kdy\u017e jsem se vr\u00e1til ze z\u00e1kladn\u00ed vojensk\u00e9 slu\u017eby, hledal jsem n\u011bjak\u00e9 zam\u011bstn\u00e1n\u00ed. Uvid\u011bl jsem tehdy v novin\u00e1ch inzer\u00e1t, \u017ee hledaj\u00ed redaktory, a p\u0159ihl\u00e1sil jsem se. A jestli jsem to m\u011bl jako vysn\u011bn\u00e9 povol\u00e1n\u00ed? Mo\u017en\u00e1 ano. Vzpom\u00edn\u00e1m si, jak jsem byl v sedmn\u00e1cti letech na p\u00e1r t\u00fddn\u016f na studijn\u00edm pobytu v jedn\u00e9 rodin\u011b ve Francii a ptali se mne, \u010d\u00edm chci b\u00fdt? Tehdy jsem jim odpov\u011bd\u011bl \u201ejournaliste\u201c.<\/p>\n

Jak velk\u00fd to byl rozd\u00edl \u2013 p\u0159ej\u00edt z novin do r\u00e1dia? <\/strong> Pracoval jsem v redakci zpravodajstv\u00ed a publicistiky \u010cRo Brno, tak\u017ee jsem z\u016fstal novin\u00e1\u0159em, d\u011blal jsem stejnou pr\u00e1ci jako v Rovnosti s t\u00edm rozd\u00edlem, \u017ee se mi roz\u0161\u00ed\u0159ilo pole p\u016fsobnosti \u2013 u\u017e to nebyl jen okres Blansko, ale cel\u00fd Jihomoravsk\u00fd kraj. Obrovsk\u00fd rozd\u00edl byl ov\u0161em v rychlosti. P\u00ed\u0161\u00edc\u00ed redaktor m\u011bl v roce 2000 na pr\u00e1ci relativn\u011b dost \u010dasu, kde\u017eto v r\u00e1diu se doba mezi t\u00edm, kdy do\u0161lo k n\u011bjak\u00e9 ud\u00e1losti a okam\u017eikem, kdy jsem ji zpracovanou p\u0159edlo\u017eil obecenstvu, stra\u0161n\u011b zkr\u00e1tila. To bylo na za\u010d\u00e1tku stresuj\u00edc\u00ed, ale \u010dlov\u011bk si zvykne. Dneska je to pro m\u011b sp\u00ed\u0161 v\u00fdhoda, proto\u017ee jsem zvykl\u00fd zpracovat t\u00e9ma rychle a relativn\u011b p\u0159esn\u011b, i kdy\u017e n\u011bjak\u00e1 ta chybi\u010dka se ob\u010das vloud\u00ed. Mimochodem to, \u017ee novin\u00e1\u0159 m\u016f\u017ee b\u00fdt ob\u010das i trochu nep\u0159esn\u00fd, potvrdil dokonce \u00dastavn\u00ed soud. Konstatoval, \u017ee novin\u00e1\u0159 pracuje rychle, nen\u00ed specialistou na v\u0161echny obory a nav\u00edc p\u0159ipravuje \u010dl\u00e1nek pro nej\u0161ir\u0161\u00ed okruh \u010dten\u00e1\u0159\u016f, tak\u017ee nelze o\u010dek\u00e1vat, \u017ee v\u0161echny informace budou zcela p\u0159esn\u00e9 a objektivn\u00ed. A s t\u00edm by m\u011bli po\u010d\u00edtat i \u010dten\u00e1\u0159i, pota\u017emo poslucha\u010di a div\u00e1ci.<\/p>\n

D\u00e1 se \u0159\u00edct, \u017ee ses v t\u00e9 pr\u00e1ci na\u0161el, \u017ee je to tvoje m\u00edsto v \u017eivot\u011b? <\/strong> Ano, ta pr\u00e1ce se mi l\u00edb\u00ed a m\u016fj vnit\u0159n\u00ed pocit mi \u0159\u00edk\u00e1, ano, je to tak. Ale jsou i dal\u0161\u00ed d\u016fvody. Oproti, \u0159ekn\u011bme oby\u010dejn\u00e9mu \u010dlov\u011bku m\u00e1 \u017eurnalista n\u011bkolik v\u00fdhod. Dostane se na m\u00edsta, kam se norm\u00e1ln\u00ed \u010dlov\u011bk b\u011b\u017en\u011b nedostane, bu\u010f ho v\u016fbec nenapadne tam zaj\u00edt, nebo by ho tam nepustili. \u017durnalista taky potk\u00e1v\u00e1 hodn\u011b zaj\u00edmav\u00fdch lid\u00ed, od prezidenta p\u0159es ministry a celebrity, a\u017e po lidi, kte\u0159\u00ed maj\u00ed unik\u00e1tn\u00ed \u017eivotn\u00ed zku\u0161enost nebo n\u011bjakou jedine\u010dnou pracovn\u00ed n\u00e1pl\u0148, a m\u016f\u017ee si nimi promluvit, m\u016f\u017ee se jich zeptat na cokoliv a to samoz\u0159ejm\u011b obohacuje. A pak je tady to, \u017ee jako \u017eurnalista se dozv\u00edm obrovsk\u00e9 kvantum informac\u00ed, co\u017e m\u011b v\u017edycky zaj\u00edmalo. V\u0161echno to ale z r\u016fzn\u00fdch d\u016fvod\u016f nejde zprost\u0159edkovat ve\u0159ejnosti. To, co se objev\u00ed ve fin\u00e1ln\u00edm \u010dl\u00e1nku nebo rozhlasov\u00e9 report\u00e1\u017ei, je pouh\u00fdm zlomkem toho, co \u017eurnalista v\u00ed. A nejde jen o tu v\u011bc samotnou, ale o dlouhodob\u00e9 znalosti a schopnost d\u00e1t si sou\u010dasn\u00e9 informace do souvislost\u00ed s t\u00edm, co se odehr\u00e1lo p\u0159ed lety.<\/p>\n

Kdo t\u011b v za\u010d\u00e1tc\u00edch vedl, u\u010dil novin\u00e1\u0159skou etiku? Nebo jsi na to p\u0159ich\u00e1zel s\u00e1m postupn\u011b? <\/strong> \u010clov\u011bk samoz\u0159ejm\u011b mus\u00ed m\u00edt n\u011bjak\u00fd z\u00e1klad, mus\u00ed v\u011bd\u011bt, co si m\u016f\u017ee dovolit a co ne. V m\u00e9m prvn\u00edm p\u016fsobi\u0161ti, v novin\u00e1ch Boskovicko, to byla \u0161\u00e9fredaktorka Jitka Meltkusov\u00e1. Dal\u0161\u00ed \u0161kola pak p\u0159i\u0161la v Rovnosti, kde se tehdy se\u0161la dobr\u00e1 parta, v\u011bt\u0161inou z m\u00fdch vrstevn\u00edk\u016f. A \u010cesk\u00fd rozhlas to byla ur\u010dit\u011b nejv\u011bt\u0161\u00ed \u0161kola. Tam u\u017e jsem pracoval z \u0159adou zku\u0161en\u00fdch koleg\u016f zvu\u010dn\u00fdch jmen, kte\u0159\u00ed cht\u011b necht\u011b dok\u00e1\u017eou nasm\u011brovat. Jako ve\u0159ejnopr\u00e1vn\u00ed m\u00e9dium m\u00e1 \u010cesk\u00fd rozhlas nav\u00edc sv\u016fj etick\u00fd kodex, kter\u00fd jsme skoro museli um\u011bt nazpam\u011b\u0165, tak\u017ee to ve mn\u011b z\u016fstalo a sna\u017e\u00edm se ho dodr\u017eovat i te\u010f.<\/p>\n

St\u00e1valo se, \u017ee ti vr\u00e1tili p\u0159\u00edsp\u011bvek s t\u00edm, abys ho dopracoval, \u017ee to je\u0161t\u011b nen\u00ed ono? <\/strong> To se mi st\u00e1valo ze za\u010d\u00e1tku, p\u0159itom to t\u0159eba byly p\u0159\u00edsp\u011bvky, na kter\u00fdch jsem pracoval n\u011bkolik hodin nebo i p\u016flden, ne\u017e jsem se prokousal v\u0161emi informacemi. Tehdy jsem je\u0161t\u011b to\u010dil na diktafon des\u00edtky minut a pak se z nich sna\u017eil vybrat to d\u016fle\u017eit\u00e9. Pak jsem se nau\u010dil ps\u00e1t si jen pozn\u00e1mky a pouze n\u011bkter\u00e9 citace a z toho u\u017e se vyb\u00edr\u00e1 p\u0159ece jen snadn\u011bji. A v rozhlase je d\u016fle\u017eit\u00e9 um\u011bt pokl\u00e1dat ot\u00e1zky, kter\u00e9 vyu\u017eiju, a dost\u00e1vat tak odpov\u011bdi, kter\u00e9 pot\u0159ebuju. Sna\u017e\u00edm se ve sv\u00fdch zpr\u00e1v\u00e1ch b\u00fdt co nejstru\u010dn\u011bj\u0161\u00ed a nejv\u00fdsti\u017en\u011bj\u0161\u00ed a v\u017edy \u0159\u00edct jen to nov\u00e9, nem\u00e1 cenu ml\u00e1tit pr\u00e1zdnou sl\u00e1mu. Moc se mi nel\u00edb\u00ed \u010dl\u00e1nky, kter\u00e9 zdlouhav\u011b popisuj\u00ed pocity redaktora nebo opakuj\u00ed zn\u00e1m\u00e9 informace, ne\u017e se dostanou k v\u011bci. Spr\u00e1vn\u00fd novinov\u00fd \u010dl\u00e1nek nebo zpr\u00e1va by m\u011bly b\u00fdt napsan\u00e9 tak, \u017ee kdy\u017e si p\u0159e\u010dte\u0161 prvn\u00ed odstavec, mus\u00ed\u0161 v\u011bd\u011bt, o \u010dem je. Kdy\u017e chce\u0161 dal\u0161\u00ed informace, tak m\u016f\u017ee\u0161 \u010d\u00edst dal\u0161\u00ed slova, kter\u00e1 jenom roz\u0161i\u0159uj\u00ed to, co u\u017e jsem napsal a co je podstatn\u00e9. Mysl\u00edm si, \u017ee v\u011bt\u0161ina \u010dten\u00e1\u0159\u016f, zvl\u00e1\u0161\u0165 t\u011bch internetov\u00fdch se d\u00e1l ne\u017e ke t\u0159et\u00edmu odstavci nedostane. Podobn\u00e9 zrychlen\u00ed, o kter\u00e9m jsme mluvili, nastalo i v jejich p\u0159\u00edpad\u011b.<\/p>\n

V\u00e1\u017e\u00ed si lid\u00e9 novin\u00e1\u0159\u016f? Zm\u011bnila se n\u011bjak presti\u017e novin\u00e1\u0159sk\u00e9 profese v posledn\u00edch letech? <\/strong> To opravdu nev\u00edm, na to by asi m\u011bli odpov\u011bd\u011bt lid\u00e9, kte\u0159\u00ed sami nejsou novin\u00e1\u0159i. S\u00e1m za sebe za t\u011bch sedmn\u00e1ct let nevn\u00edm\u00e1m n\u011bjak\u00fd z\u00e1sadn\u00ed posun, st\u00e1le sl\u00fdch\u00e1v\u00e1m, \u017ee pap\u00edr snese v\u0161echno a \u017ee vy to tam stejn\u011b n\u011bjak zaona\u010d\u00edte, aby to pasovalo. Samoz\u0159ejm\u011b to z\u00e1le\u017e\u00ed na konkr\u00e9tn\u00ed osob\u011b a jej\u00edch zku\u0161enostech. Pokud respondent za\u017eil, \u017ee bylo jeho vyj\u00e1d\u0159en\u00ed m\u00e9dii n\u011bjak p\u0159ekrouceno nebo v\u00fdznamov\u011b posunuto, pak na novin\u00e1\u0159e pochopiteln\u011b \u017eehr\u00e1.<\/p>\n

St\u00e1v\u00e1 se, \u017ee se na tebe coby novin\u00e1\u0159e lid\u00e9 obracej\u00ed s prosbou o pomoc v r\u016fzn\u00fdch kauz\u00e1ch? <\/strong> St\u00e1v\u00e1 se to, ale u velk\u00e9 \u010d\u00e1sti lid\u00ed se uk\u00e1\u017ee, \u017ee jsme a\u017e posledn\u00ed instance po \u00fa\u0159adech a soudech a \u017ee u\u017e se ned\u00e1 nic moc zm\u011bnit, proto\u017ee si to \u010dlov\u011bk pokazil. Ale samoz\u0159ejm\u011b jsou i jin\u00e9 p\u0159\u00edpady, p\u0159\u00edb\u011bhy bezpr\u00e1v\u00ed, kdy \u010dlov\u011bka semelou okolnosti, a to je pak jin\u00e1 v\u011bc. Setkal ses s p\u0159\u00edpadem, kdy jsi mohl s\u00e1m jako novin\u00e1\u0159 pomoci? <\/strong> Samoz\u0159ejm\u011b, i kdy\u017e ne tady na Blanensku. Hodn\u011b z\u00e1le\u017e\u00ed na tom, v jak\u00e9m m\u00e9diu \u010dlov\u011bk pracuje. V Zrcadle jsou ty mo\u017enosti jin\u00e9 ne\u017e v \u010cesk\u00e9m rozhlase, kter\u00fd m\u00e1 p\u0159ece jen jinou v\u00e1hu. V rozhlase se st\u00e1valo, \u017ee se v\u011bci zm\u011bnily, kdy\u017e jsme o nich informovali. Je to, d\u00e1 se \u0159\u00edct, presti\u017en\u00ed m\u00e9dium, jeho\u017e agendu p\u0159eberou i ostatn\u00ed m\u00e9dia, a to se pak v\u011bci pohnuly. V Zrcadle se to taky st\u00e1v\u00e1, ale jde to pomaleji. Je to ot\u00e1zka s\u00edly a presti\u017ee na medi\u00e1ln\u00edm h\u0159i\u0161ti. D\u00e1 se \u0159\u00edct, \u017ee nen\u00ed lehk\u00e9 b\u00fdt region\u00e1ln\u00edm m\u00e9diem a udr\u017eet si svou pozici.<\/p>\n

M\u016f\u017ee\u0161 to troch rozv\u00e9st? <\/strong> Nen\u00ed to lehk\u00e9 zejm\u00e9na z ekonomick\u00fdch d\u016fvod\u016f \u2013 sta\u010d\u00ed se pod\u00edvat na Blanensko. Tady p\u016fsob\u00ed cel\u00e1 \u0161k\u00e1la region\u00e1ln\u00edch m\u00e9di\u00ed od den\u00edk\u016f a\u017e po ob\u010dasn\u00edky. P\u0159itom soukrom\u00e9 region\u00e1ln\u00ed m\u00e9dium \u017eije z inzerce. Kdy\u017e je titul\u016f hodn\u011b a ka\u017ed\u00fd vydavatel si pro sebe utrhne n\u011bco, a\u0165 u\u017e d\u00edky osobn\u00edm kontakt\u016fm nebo nere\u00e1ln\u00fdm slib\u016fm o velikosti n\u00e1kladu, trh se rozm\u011bln\u00ed. Pro existenci kvalitn\u00edho region\u00e1ln\u00edho m\u00e9dia by v\u0161ak bylo lep\u0161\u00ed se spojit, aby v\u00fdsledn\u00fd subjekt byl dostate\u010dn\u011b ekonomicky siln\u00fd a mohl d\u011blat kvalitn\u00ed a aktu\u00e1ln\u00ed zpravodajstv\u00ed. \u0158e\u0161en\u00edm by byl i vstup soukrom\u00e9ho kapit\u00e1lu do region\u00e1ln\u00edho m\u00e9dia.<\/p>\n

Posledn\u00ed oblig\u00e1tn\u00ed ot\u00e1zka: tvoje sny a p\u0159\u00e1n\u00ed? Kde by ses r\u00e1d vid\u011bl za 10 let? <\/strong> Za 10 let? Nem\u00e1m p\u0159edstavu, m\u016f\u017ee to b\u00fdt jakkoli. Sna\u017e\u00edm se \u017e\u00edt hlavn\u011b p\u0159\u00edtomnost\u00ed, i kdy\u017e se to poka\u017ed\u00e9 nepoda\u0159\u00ed.<\/p>\n

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